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Post by Monica Lynn on Aug 15, 2008 21:20:11 GMT -5
The last book in the saga. I know there are many different opinions on this book so please share.
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Post by Monica Lynn on Aug 19, 2008 17:06:15 GMT -5
Well... I am going to start. I really enjoyed the book. I loved how Bella and Edward's love grew during the whole series.
Just so you know this will contain spoilers if you haven't read the book. Don't read if you don't want to know what happened. You have been warned......
My favorite part was when Bella finally had her baby... I loved how Edward did what he had to do to save her.
I wasn't surprised about Jacob finding his true love. I think it was great how he found her.....
Okay so those are somethings that I liked about the book.. Please share your views....
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Post by Lulicah on Aug 24, 2008 17:22:29 GMT -5
I just finished it last Wednesday and I have to say that it is one of the strangest books I've ever read...
I'm glad that Jacob finally imprinted on someone....
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Post by Monica Lynn on Aug 24, 2008 17:49:34 GMT -5
I was glad for Jacob too...
He still gets to be in Bella's life that is what is so cool about it..
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Post by Leigh on Aug 27, 2008 20:01:33 GMT -5
Woo! I get to be the first "hater." How fun for me. Er... not really.
1. It was kind of inconsistent (Twilight Lexicon, Personal Correspondance 1) for Bella to get pregnant. 2. For me, they were really out of character. It was just really strange for me. 3. Bella didn't really, in my point of view, sacrifice much for this eternity of happiness she's gained. She sacrificed friends she wasn't really close to, and her mom... somewhat. But she gets to keep Jake, Edward, and pretty much everyone that she was ever really close to. She gets immortality, something she's wanted since the beginning. It's just... things in life don't come that easily. (Yes, I know it's fiction, but it used to be pretty realistic to where you could just easily imagine the characters actually living. Now... not so much.) 4. The ending nearly killed me. Very, very anti-climactic.
Some positive things: It made me like Jacob more.
Okay, that's just one thing. Sorry.
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Post by Monica Lynn on Aug 28, 2008 4:46:20 GMT -5
Wow you aren't the first one to say those things. I wasn't a full twilight fan from the beginning so I don't find the inconsistent things.
The Bella pregnancy I feel could happen because she was human. Even though I have heard that SM said vampires can't have babies I believe she went on with saying females vamps can't have babies. That makes me think that a male vamp could make a human pregnant. My reasoning to this is that a human female will dry up at some point in her life, meaning she won't be able to have kids. Where a male human can still make babies till they die. I feel that since a female human is going to stop having kids at some point that when she becomes a vamp she freezes and can't have anymore. Where a man for some reason can still father kids..since they are able to have kids into their 60's, 70's 80's etc....
Now for Bella not sacrificing, I do agree that she didn't give anyone up but she has sacrificed never being able to see those HS friends again. She suffered through the series when Edward left her. Her mom is the one she really lost.
I was glad not to see a huge fight at the end of the series. I liked to see that they were able to talk things through. That is what Carlisle is like and his coven, family.. He isn't one that wants to kill others so that was in character for them. I loved seeing Bella learn more about her power and learning how to control it better.
The only thing that really upset me when I read it was Alice and Jasper leaving.. I was mad at them and at the same time sad....
Okay that is all for now cause I really have to get to work...
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Post by Simply Unusual (Aimee) on Aug 28, 2008 5:45:12 GMT -5
I've just gotten past the part were you find out that Jacob imprinted... I'm glad I'd already read that. lol Maybe I wouldnt have freaked out as much as I did when I actually read it. lmao The way Stephanie wrote it, I didnt get it at first, then when Bella was thinkin it all out, I got it. I seriously was like OMG! WTF? NO WAY!! It was funny, my friend Brittany told me to shut up. Guess I was ruining her movie. lol But thats about as far as I've gotten.... I've got a crap load to read... and throw me down a mountain... I forgot the book at home. >.< CURSES!!
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Post by Simply Unusual (Aimee) on Sept 14, 2008 23:33:45 GMT -5
DONE!!!!! I FINISHED IT FINALLY!!! WOOOO!!!!!
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Post by kaylee on Dec 30, 2008 14:37:37 GMT -5
I hope I don't annoy anybody here (feel free to tell me to shut it) but I think BD has the potential to be one of the worst books I've ever read. (This is copied and pasted from another site I wrote it for, sorry for the spamming)
I tried to have a re-read of BD before I came home for the holidays, just to get a feel for it again and see if I'd like it anymore the 2nd time round. I think it now might top my list for the worst thing ever written. I'm sorry if I get ranty here but I've just realised thatt Stephenie Meyer has issues and I can't keep silent over it.
Lets look at her attitude towards sex. Bella literally begs for sex, at one point until she starts crying, even though it could kill her. She refuses to acknowledge that the man who loves her (I'll get back to the love thing later) doesn't want to snap her head off! So they eventually do it (surely with Edward being ice cold it would be like snuggling an ice lolly) and she ends up unconscious, bruised and sore. The moment she lost consciousness, Edward should have stopped. The moment he started hurting her without proper boundaries being laid down, he should have stopped. There are laws and basic ethical rules about this sort of thing which Meyer seems to ignore in favour of so called romance. What makes it even more stupid is that Bella wants to do it again! What planet is this girl from? Never mind the entire abstinence message Meyer shoe horned into the books (A concept I disagree with to a point), it's okay for you to reach a point that could be classified as abuse as long as you're married and doing it with someone who loves you!
Everyone here is familiar with the term Mary Sue? It's a term used to describe when a writer creates a character who is obviously a wish fulfilment of theirself and is practically perfect in every way. People call Anita Blake a Mary Sue but Bella Swan beats her on that level! Read the description of Bella then look at Meyer. Check out how similar Kristen Stewart looks to Meyer. Check out Bella getting everything she could possibly ever want with minimal effort. Rosalie Hale should have smacked her! Bella got everything Rosalie wanted and it was sickeningly stupid. How about Bella going vamp with no trouble? Every other vampire had at least a year of struggle, Jasper still struggles, but oh no, she is perfectly in control and oh so wonderful. YA literature requires a certain degree of relatable behaviour in a character for a reader to like the book. Harry Potter was full of well written, loveable and complex characters. Twilight saga is full of good looking people who...well, you tell me. And that brings me to *start overture from The Omen* Renesmee Cullen.
Perfect, loveable, oh so beautiful, uterus chewing Renesmee Carlie Cullen. Forget the fact that she gets the nickname of the Loch Ness Monster, how about the accelerated growth? Or the fact that she exists at all? I couldn't find any hints at all in the previous books that vampires and humans could have a child together (so that's one point off from Meyer for terrible writing) She broke her own rules, a big no no for all writers. Renesmee shouldn't exist, it just doesn't work as anything, not even a plot device! And it did nothing but infuriate me when the entire topic of imprinting arose.
The saving grace of BD was Jacob's narrative. I didn't like him in Eclipse (he physically acosted Bella on more than one occasion) and thought the supposed love triangle was as subtly written as an A bomb. But I liked his narrative, the way he told the story and his struggle with his own pack life. So why did Meyer decide to make her a paedophile? There is no other way to look at it - he imprinted on a newborn child and then gave her a promise ring, a symbol of sexual abstinence and devotion to one person. Renesmee will supposedly reach adulthood at an accelerated rate and will appear 18 years old at the age of 7. At which point Jacob will leap in there! There was a whole lot of talk about imprinting not being sexual but why give her the ring otherwise? He said he'll be whatever she needs but what if she really just needs him to go away? The imprinting love is said to be amazing, something you can't live without. But she had that forced on her without her knowledge. When you take away the element of choice, which Meyer has done from practically all the female characters in the series, you take away a girl's basic rights. Imprinting is not romantic, how is it any different from being forced up against a wall?
Meyer has been very childish about the backlash from this book. She de-friended everyone on MySpace who didn't like the book, blamed all the hype on her readers even though the carefully played out book tour and promotional stuff was not their fault (charging people at book signings money, then making them buy a copy of a book they already owned just to get in is greedy), then had the sheer audacity to use what she called "The Rob Effect." Saying that readers just need time to get used to her world is insulting to those who paid money for her books. Saying you're not a true fan if you have criticism is like throwing your toys out of the pram. I can read Twilight and still enjoy it on some level. I think it's dreadfully anti feminist and that she's a hack writer, but she told a story well. New Moon was awful, Eclipse was better, but Breaking Dawn is inexcusably awful, evil and proof that everybody can write a book, it doesn't mean that you should.
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Post by Monica Lynn on Dec 30, 2008 17:31:28 GMT -5
Don't worry about copying and pasting we all do it. I don't think I commented on the other site about your review. I personally loved the book mainly because of the birth scene. I know those that have read other books dealing with vampires and such. I am not as influenced by other books in that way. This is the first book on vampires that I have ever read.
I find your review very interesting and gives me a new way of looking at Breaking Dawn. I enjoyed the book a lot but have only read it one time. I don't know if I will read the book more then once.
BTW Glad to see you here kaylee... And you are more then welcome to start new threads of any books that are not already started or if you can't find them.
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Post by kaylee on Jan 2, 2009 9:56:58 GMT -5
The birth scene wouldn't have bothered me so much if: a) Meyer hadn't already said that vampire pregnancies were impossible (seriously, could you find any hints otherwise in the books before?) b) It wwasn't so out of character. People see these books as the chaste romances for teens. That's how they're advertised as, that's how the critics review them. There is nearly no blood shed in the other books and then all of a sudden Bella is trying to emulate John Hurt! It was shock value, nothing more. Just like having Bella drink blood from a straw (somebody give Meyer a biology book and explain why this wouldn't work.) You should try some of the classic vampire stories Mon. Stoker is the best place to start (as well as Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu who wrote Carmilla, the book that Dracula was based on.) and Anne Rice's early stuff is definately worth reading. The genre is packed full of amazing stories (I might send you a couple if you're interested.)
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Post by Monica Lynn on Jan 2, 2009 10:46:35 GMT -5
My goal is to read Stoker's Dracula. I plan to go out today to buy some books at Borders and I will check to see if they have Stoker's book. If not then I will have to make a trip to B&N.
What early stuff of Anne Rice's?
About the pregnancies for vampires, I did not know that she had said it was impossible before reading the whole series. I mainly read the whole series because Twilight was coming out as a movie. I read about vampires not being able to have babies after I had read the whole series. I interpreted the part about not being able to have babies as meaning that the female vamps are unable to conceive. I didn't think anything about a male vamp not being able to create one.
I will have to see if I can find Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu's Carmilla book too. (only available online..)
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Post by kaylee on Jan 2, 2009 14:20:01 GMT -5
Dracula is genius, it's a bit slow in places but it's worth it.
Anne Rice's early Vampire Chronicles books (Interview with the Vampire, Queen of the Damned, etc) are brilliant. She is the one responsible for describing vampires in the Byronic sense, very lush and erotic and seductive. The later books are shark jumping quality and best avoided. Apparently vampire writers go crazy quite easily. She now writes books about Jesus.
Vampire pregnancy didn't make sense to me in Twilight because it mentions how when they turn into vampires, they turn to crystal or stone or something similar. It would be like doing the horizontal monster mash with a statue or an icicle. (Sorry for the crude image!)
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Post by Monica Lynn on Jan 4, 2009 18:43:16 GMT -5
Okay, I have to admit that I laughed when I read what you wrote about doing the horizontal monster mash.... It wasn't crude at all.
I am glad to say that I bought Dracula and I can't wait to read it, (not sure when that will be). I will look for Anne Rice's books. I believe I have seen the Interview one but none of the others.
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